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gerard
Posted: Aug 5th, 2010 at 09:29   |   Subject: design 012 cabin layout
Hi Georges,
I am interested in the trailerable design 012 and I have some questions :

1) I am in Toulouse south west part of France and I am interested in visiting one so would you let me know if there is one available for a short visit near France, probably in UK ?

2) I am looking your plans and on your drawings I didn't find any dining table in the cabin: folding table or equivalent.
Have you any cabin layout with a small dining table ?

3) In the same idea what do you think about the addition of a small fridge like indel or similar ? is there enough room for that ?

Best regards

Gerard

debenriver
Posted: Aug 5th, 2010 at 12:54   |   Subject: design 012 cabin layout
Hi Gerard

The original boat to this design is now near Woodbridge in Suffolk, England. The pictures on the website are of this boat. I could get in touch with the current owner if you wished me to? She was built in 1992/93 and as you can see from the pictures on the site she is in great condition.

Table. The bunk fronts are 600mm apart, though this is reduced by the mattress overhangs to 500mm. So there is not a whole lot of space to get past a fixed table.

However, a narrow table might work OK. This could have a 75mm fixed centre section with a hinged leaf each side. If the leaves stick up 37 above the fixed section, they form fiddles for when the centre section only is use (to stand a glass or mug on for example). When the leaves hinge up, they fold over the centre section. The table could be about 500 long.

It could perhaps be out of centre (say to stbd), to make it easier to get past. And it could extend fwd into the galley area a bit, so that you could semi-sit on it when cooking?

Another option is a completely folding table. These are OK but they always seem to be a bit flimsy and difficult to fold and store – finger trapping too!

I will add a fixed table design to the plan set; you will be able to download it from your Design Portfolio as usual.

Fridge. In the standard design, the fwd ends of both port and stbd settee bunks are used as integral water tanks. So the galley basically sits on top of the fwd part of port bunk (water tank) top. To incorporate a fridge you would need to modify this so that the port settee bunk ended at Frame 7 (the aft end of the galley). Then the galley units would be full depth and I would think there would be space for a fridge.

If you wanted more water (than would be left under the stbd settee bunk), you could use the space under the aft part of the port settee. It would be better to use a flexible tank rather than use the structures of the boat (which would need some modification). The same is true for the standard design. Now that there is a good range of standard and purpose built flexible tanks available, it is probably better to use these in the space, rather than make the tanks integral using the hull and furniture structures.

Best regards

George

gerard
Posted: Aug 5th, 2010 at 22:20   |   Subject: design 012 cabin layout
Hi Georges,
Thanks very much for your quick answer.
For a visit to Woodbridge I would be very happy if you can contact the owner in order to see if an appointment is possible after the 18th of august.
For the table and the fridge your proposal seems very convenient. I will see with a great attention your new layout.
Many thanks

best regards

Gerard
richard49
Posted: Sep 8th, 2010 at 19:41   |   Subject: Design 012 23' Hard Chine Cutter
Hi George

If Gerard wants to come and see "David B" he is most welcome.
He can contact me on 07914 634 144 or elkan.richard@gmail.com

Two of us spent 8 nights on her recently, not one at a Marina! Now where to fit that shower!!!!!

Cheers

Richard

debenriver
Posted: Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:16   |   Subject: Design 012 Cabin Layout
I was supposed to contact you Richard to make the request. It completely slipped my mind. My apologies to all. I have emailed Gerard.

I specially like laying at anchor in a quiet creek or estuary. Seems to me that's what boating is all about.

Friends of ours, who do a lot of long-distance cruising, have a traditional bucket shower, which actually works pretty well. Essentially you have a plastic bucket with a shower hose attached to it and a shower head with a valve on it. You heat enough water to add to cold water in the bucket (fresh or salt), then stand the bucket on deck with the shower hose through the hatch .... The heads compartment does need to be organized for taking a shower and the shower water needs to drain to a pump OK. But it gives a surprisingly good hair wash and shower!

On our family boat (Landfall – 38' – built in 1958) we had no shower. I think my dad would have had apoplexy at the thought of it. So on good days we used, one at a time, to take a bucket wash in the cockpit!

As a young child (in those days we had a 40' Gaff Lee Bawley cutter, Dawn, built at Robertsons in 1921), my father used to leave my mother, me and my sister aboard for about 6 weeks every summer. We were moored on double anchors at Ramsholt (only about five or six yachts there at that time). Father visited at the weekends! We spent our time swimming and roaming the woods and cliffs. And walking the 4 miles or so to Alderton to buy some fresh food from time to time. We regularly reinforced our fresh supplies with mushrooms and blackberries picked from the fields, and winkles and welks gathered off the 'hard' at low tide. Looking back it seems idyllic now – I don't think it did then, just normal!

Cheers

George
Dracula1
Posted: Sep 16th, 2010 at 09:20   |   Subject: Shower
Hi George,
I have been looking at the shower situation myself. I have been camping for years and used many types. The simple ones tend to work best in my opinion. There is nothing worse than having a good (or bad day) and looking for that little bit of comfort to ease the situation and finding that the shower doesn’t work.

The canvas camping shower has my vote. Had one for years till someone else thought they needed it more than I did. Even in its beaten-up state, it never let me down. One really big advantage is that it folds down virtually flat.

I will be looking closely at the solar shower. Even when the weather turns cold and the sun is not out, just fill with cold water and temper with some hot water from the stove. The links below range from the very simple to the more luxuriant. The Rainman looks interesting even though it is a little pricey.

Now, down to the question of where to have the shower! A cockpit shower? Scare the neighbours showering in the El’ Natural or offend then in ‘Budgie Smugglers’? This is the question. Being 6ft tall and the roof of the Head being just under 5ft high, equates to someone of my stature risking injury in the pursuit of simple pleasure. This leaves the logical choice - scare or offend the neighbours. There is only one way to know which works. Try both.


Canvas camping shower
http://www.outbackcampers.com.au/accessories.asp

Oz-mate Super Solar Shower
http://www.wildearth.com.au/ozmate-camp-solar-shower-p-255.html?osCsid=b378141d9423ea616df3efe7c6a8ff5f

Portable Camp Power Shower (Battery pack or 6v supply)
http://www.campingstovegrill.co.cc/cheap-Portable_Camp_Power_Shower_Clean_in_the_Outdoors-B000O9GI9Y.html

Rainman hot water camping shower
http://www.2daloo.com/camp_shower.htm

Primus 12 Volt Camp Shower Set
http://www.wildearth.com.au/primus-automobile-camp-shower-p-257.html?osCsid=b378141d9423ea616df3efe7c6a8ff5f

Primus portable hot water shower
http://www.primusaustralia.com.au/pdf/pg_14%20509123%20hot%20camp%20shower.pdf

Aqua Cube gas hot water shower
http://www.kangarootentcity.com.au/welcome/page48.php
debenriver
Posted: Sep 21st, 2010 at 23:59   |   Subject: Shower
Thanks for all the useful info.

Unless the body is pretty perfect, I think I would go for "el natural" rather than "budgie smugglers"! At least it's all sort of one colour then.

I like the canvas camp shower – better than a plastic bucket. But I think the Oz-mate Solar Shower is really great. The other day I left the garden hose out in the sun for a couple of hours by mistake – the water was way hotter than shower water when I turned it on!

They are both really simple and look like they will do the job for a long while. And they are not expensive. Not a lot to hump around and easy to store away. Looks good to me!

George